威利家大概没什么事,不停的骗他老婆应该就差不多了。
比如:其实你很美;或者,真实才是美;或者,没关系我们再造个娃;或者,面对现实吧,美和丑不是关键啊!!!
尽管,我还是有那么一丝丝的怀疑,习惯了逃避的人是不是真的可以在避难所被毁之后,就不再找寻其他的避难所。
不过我相信威利大叔的爱一定会征服一切的!!!!
其他人就不好就不好说了。。。
首先恢复交通之前,生活基本问题就难以解决了。
既然所有人都用代理人,那现在大家都要自己去工作了吧,可是怎么去呢?
那些维持秩序的人也是宅人啊……吃完了储备粮以后生活物资怎么解决呢?
难道要就近暴力解决吗。。。
还是在情况不那么窘迫的时候,纷纷开始新的社交活动:“你是?
”“呃…………我叫约翰。
”“是吗?
”“是啊!
”“是吗?。。。?
”“。。。
是啊”“你的代理人很漂亮”“你的也是……”一起叹气:“哎……”其次,普及花了14年,瞬间瘫痪难道就听之任之吗?
话说从win95开始到现在电脑和网络也普及十四五年了,传言要断网的时候,各位什么感想?
在虚拟中的生活就一定不是真实的生活吗?
掩盖了自己的身份和弱点的时候一个人的看法就不值得相信吗?
王尔德说:“当人以自己身份说话的时候,便越不是自己。
给他一个面具,他就会告诉你事实”他已经在他的时代验证过,我们也可以再次验证。
这个有图无真相的世界已经告诉我们真实和虚假不是这么简单的概念。
最后,也许不必回到过去,这将是一次改良的契机,使人们思考更合适的方式。
使人们不必再拘泥于yes或no的简单选择。
是不是这样呢?
可以思考
克隆技术刚发明的时候引起了极大的争议,支持者认为这是人类的福音,可以让残疾者像常人一样生活,反对者则认为会造成人类世界的混乱。
当时施瓦辛格就以此为题拍了一部叫第六日的电影。
某人推荐这部电影的时候说还行,于是中午在办公室看完了。
和机械公敌甚至是瓦力表现出相同的焦虑:人类会不会因为过于便利而迷失自己,人类究竟是工具还是目的。
很多年前在叮当上看到过一个情节,大雄坐时光机到了未来,是一个人类生活相当便利的时代,人类使用智慧造了很多方便于自己生活的工具,很多事情都不用自己去做,只需要思考。
于是大雄看到了他父亲,一个奇小的身体配着巨大的头。
关于人类的本质,很多哲学家在多年前就思考并争吵过,人类到底是工具还是目的,人类的智慧会把人引向更好的未来还是更糟糕的未来?
不可否认,生活的便利是大家都追求的,但是当这种便利达到某种极致,甚至使人类拒绝面对真实的自我而宁愿生活在假象中的时候,这样的便利是不是违背了人类造就的初衷?
据说很多东西都是想偷懒的人发明的,不想扫地的人发明的扫帚和簸箕,不想洗衣服的人发明的洗衣机。
但是当我们希望更年轻漂亮不易受伤的身躯、更大的活动空间的时候,我们真的希望找一个代理机器人吗?
躺在家里,动动手指就可以了?
即使是这样也会因为上厕所、流泪等不能被代理的行为阻止代理人的活动。
人与动物的本质区别就是人类可以制造并使用工具,但是对工具的依赖也是会上瘾的,当意识到过于依赖某一项工具的时候,你也就应该想一想,你到底是使用工具,还是被工具使用;你成为了工具,还是只是为了达到某个目的使用的便利。
从前,有一个姓坎特的傻逼老男人,先发明了拟人替身,等到世界适应了之后,瘫痪在椅的这货又想把替身踢出历史舞台,还搞了个牙买加小辫儿黑胖大叔搞邪教——哈哈哈哈哈——你精神病啊你!
吃饱了撑的纯粹傻逼!
我就特别支持搞替身占领地球!
你看看那些回归自然的傻逼们住的地方,垃圾堆成山……再看看替身社会,犯罪率下降99%的说啊!
99%啊!
所以说生活不能自理的老男人都应该消灭啊!
这tm什么烂片儿!
老布你tm接的什么烂片儿!
还tm想让人类回归自我!
你tm就忘了你儿子怎么shi的!
——不过我又觉得这片子其实是吐槽所谓的绿色有机自然党?
未来的某一天,科技已经达到了非常高的程度。
只需要躺在家里,戴上特制的头盔,就能把自己的思想链接到另外一个躯体,你可以跑,可以跳,可以哭,也可以笑……所有这一切都是如此真实,就像你自己亲身经历一样。
等等!
这情节很熟悉啊,不就是《阿凡达》吗?
非也,非也!
尽管在某种程度上类似《阿凡达》,但这是一部风格完全不同的电影,它的主演是我们的光头老布:布鲁斯威利,它的名字叫做:《未来战警/Surrogates》。
然也,然也!
这个中文片名,翻译的跟“阿凡达”一样囧。
但是,此片比《阿凡达》好看。
外?
好看在哪里?
想想《阿凡达》吧。
那些奇形怪状的外星生物,长的跟流浪猫似的纳美人(记住,是“纳美-人”,不是“纳-美人”)……这都什么啊!
卡梅隆是不是请了个兽医来当美工?
都什么审美观啊这是!
所谓有比较才能有鉴别。
让我们跟随威利老师来近距离观察一下这部《未来战警》。
你能想像一个满大街全是俊男美女的世界吗?
没错,真的全是俊男美女,而且是身材凹凸有致的俊男美女。
没有一个人拥有双下巴,没有一个人拥有大肚腩!
长的最丑的估计就是我们的威利老师了。
这是什么样的世界啊!
我鸡动!!
我内牛满面!!!
多么伟大的导演!
为了一部电影,居然找来那么多俊男美女,容易么!
就冲这一点,我也要给此片打上五颗星!
SDMS评分:74.5 分挺喜欢这个电影的创意,人类用代理机器人来完成日常的一切事务,这样既能够让自己的容颜变得完美,而且也不用担心什么意外事故、暴力事件,因为代理机器人的损毁只是一个机器的问题,和它的使用者本身并没有直接的联系。
这个创意本身有点像是《黑客帝国》和《异次元骇客》的结合版,但是从故事风格来说,《未来战警》更接近于威尔·史密斯的那部《机械公敌》。
属于那种新科技造福人类,但同时也埋下隐患,最后由科技自己革了自己的命的套路。
这个创意本身蕴含了很多值得我们反复讨论的议题,比如一个人的灵魂和肉体到底在多大的程度上联系在一起?
请容许我举一个不恰当的例子——假设我们都认为林志玲是美女,芙蓉姐姐是丑女。
然后当我们无聊开始性幻想的时候,如果对象是林志玲的话,我们会幻想得很high,但如果尝试用芙蓉进行幻想的时候,我想有的人可能会吐出来的。
然后现在科技让情况发生了变化,假设现在林志玲和芙蓉姐姐都买了代理机器人。
但是林志玲觉得自己太美了,从没有试过丑女的生活,所以她买了一个芙蓉姐姐造型的代理机器人。
而芙蓉姐姐则买了一个林志玲造型的代理机器人。
这个时候,你在夜店同时勾搭上了这两个代理机器人,两个都愿意与你上床。
然后你开始思考一个问题,当你和芙蓉姐姐造型的机器人上床的时候,你其实是在满足林志玲的性需求;而当你和林志玲造型的机器人上床的时候,你其实是在满足芙蓉姐姐的性需求。
那么提问:你愿意和芙蓉姐姐上床,还是和林志玲上床?
开个玩笑,这个电影确实表现出了人类虚伪的一面。
我很喜欢电影里的一句对白:“人类已经对代理机器人上瘾”,这成了人类的一种疾病,他们已经失去了自己的灵魂。
所以我愿意为这个电影伟大的创意和反思精神鼓掌,但是我并不喜欢这部电影。
我不得不说,编导的功力不足毁掉了一部本来可以成为经典的科幻电影。
大凡成功的科幻电影都是通过无数微不足道的细节而支撑起来的,这里我们可以随便地回想一下:在《少数派报告》中,那些怪异的交通方式,那些神奇的身份识别系统,那些变态的意淫性服务提供商;在《水世界》中,那些人们关于泥土的交易,那些人工岛上的居民关于配种的需求……正是这些细节让我们领略到那个假想世界的魅力,并且心甘情愿地相信那个世界是有可能存在的。
而在《未来战警》中,诸如此类的细节寥寥可数,让人印象深刻的只有两处,一个是关于整形美容,一个是关于几个机器人在拿电棒电自己来作为“吸毒”。
导演的着眼点始终是在一些肤浅的,能够刺激到人的意识的那些地方,而在一些更与生活息息相关的角落却很少呈现。
更可悲的是,代理机器人是一项关系到十亿人的产业,而那些没有代理机器人的人群想必也有几十亿。
所以当这两个群体发生对抗的时候,其实是很有意思的。
但是在电影中,我们看到汤姆(男主角)在被革职后,气冲冲地跑到了没有使用代理机器人的群落里,直接去逼问他们的领袖(一个黑人)。
然后,整个电影给人的感觉就是:这根本不是几十亿人和几十亿人的对抗,而更像是一个城市里的两个帮派,一派是拥护代理机器人,一派是不拥护。
导演没有能力表现出那种一个族群和另一个族群的对抗,他只能够表现出一群人和另一群人的对抗,这让这部电影的格局马上就缩小了。
所有问题的可解释度也缩小了。
想想那部经典的《人类之子》吧,阿方索·卡隆是如何用几个细节而把末世的感觉给表现出来的,大到整栋楼的人都往下扔垃圾,小到一个墙壁上的标语,这才是大师级的表现力。
而《未来战警》只不过是说了一个还算有趣的故事,所有外延的东西,它都没有办法表现。
所以到最后,《未来战警》只是长得像林志玲而已,实际上,我们还是上了芙蓉的床。
Page 0“Look at yourselves. Unplug from your chairs, get up and look in a mirror. What you see is how God made you. We’re not meant to experience the world through a machine.” The prophet discourages people from using surrogates.Right off the bat, this is a science fiction social drama. It is a debate of the pros and cons of a imaginative technology. Very much in the vein of Minority Report. It’s a two steps ahead of our current lives (not only robots, but also against robots), also in the spirit of INCEPTION (REVERSING A CLICHE: not only planting ideas instead of stealing, but also dream within a dream). Page 1The history documentary of the evolve of the surrogates.Page 3People who are against using surrogates.Page 4A young man is on his way to opera, but goes to a dancing club instead. Someone ominous is following him.Page 7The young man is killed and the killer also causes a traffic accident that damages a few units.Page 8FBI agents come to the scene and investigates the strangeness of the event. (OPPORTUNITY. The EVERYDAY LIFE part is slightly off because it has to introduce the history and current condition of the surrogates instead of the protagonist.)Page 9The fat male operator is found killed in his apartment. (His surrogate is an attractive young woman. Although the script didn’t articulate it at this point, but it must be pretty disgusting for Bruce to find out a fat male guy posing as an attractive young woman to seduce other men. This event essentially is designed to give the protagonist the first emotional exposure of how perverse the technology of surrogate is. But as a cop, he really can’tcomment on the victimof the crime. To make sure the audience knows how affectedthe protagonist is, we let him comment on the unlikable lawyers with the sentiment that has been suppressed inside of him for quite sometime now.)Page 11Bruce comes back home and meets his real self. He goes to his son’s room and he clearly misses him and the happy times.Page 13Just before he is about to knock on his wife’s door, his wife’s surrogate comes out. Their distance is palpable but Bruce does his best to connect with her unsuccessfully. (This is another reason why Bruce hates using surrogates because it causes the distance with his wife.This is the second emotional nudge the story gives to the protagonist, causing him to arc.)Page 15A boy is found killed in college. The police discuss the case and want to prevent the truth leaked to the general public.Page 16Bruce thinks that a homicide has happened and they also just get the information that the dead boy’s father is the inventor of the surrogates.Page 17Bruce and partner go to visit the inventor. They talk until the inventor realizes that it was him that caused his son’s death. (CHANGE OF PLAN because from here on, they realize that the crime is no longer a simple one, and target is actually the inventor of the surrogates.)Page 20Bruce and partner go to the surrogates manufacturing facility and question the guys in public relations. (This is the first time Bruce clearly articulates his dislike for the surrogates triggered by his hate for lawyers.Bruce starts to hate surrogates now.)Page 23Bruce and partner go to the engineering (autopsy room of the robots) and are told that similar damage has occurred to the soldiers in the war zone.Page 25Bruce and partner go to question the general. Although no results, it gives the audience a chance to see firsthand how the solider robots operate in war.Page 26Partner finds the meetbag by facial match of the footage of the surrogates. And immediately he is spotted by the traffic surveillance camera. Bruce goes to catch the meetbag while Jennifer Peters talks to the guy in the surveillance room.Page 28Bobby shows Peters how he can control and shut down all the surrogates in the room.Page 29Meetbag is being chased by Boston PD and Bruce. Meetbag is running to the anti-surrogate zone to seek shelter.Page 30Meetbag uses the weapon again killing everyone and almost Bruce. (The death of other policemen caused by using the surrogates must be the last straw for Bruce. It can be made clearer if the script lets a policeman close to Bruce die.)Page 34Bruce chases Meetbag in the restricted anti-surrogacy zone and is shot dead before he can capture meetbag and his weapon.Page 35Bruce is injured very badly and Peters is reprimanded by the boss for Bruce’s invasion of the restricted area.Page 36Bruce’s wife finds him lying on the ground, dying.Page 37Meetbag is interrogated by the prophet once he is on his turf.Page 38News flash of the incident and the statement made by the prophet on TV, Bruce is accompanied by his wife in the hospital. TV continues the ad of children’ surrogates, which apparently make both of them very uncomfortable, but they are unable to deal with the elephant in the room. (The idea of a dead son wasn’t fully explored. It is the reason of the couple’s estrangement. Also it is a potential merit for the surrogate because if the son had used one, he wouldn’t have died.)Page 39Boss comes to inform Bruce that he has been suspended and he is out of surrogate. But we can see from Bruce’s eyes that he won’t let it go.Page 40Bruce comes out of the hospital in the flesh, but he is no longer used to walking in the streets in the flesh. (PHYSICAL POINT OF NO RETURN because without a surrogate, the stake for the protagonist is much higher;)Page 41Bruce tries on another surrogate but rejects using it. (PHYSICAL POINT OF NO RETURN IS NOT ENOUGH, it’s also the EMOTIONAL POINT OF NO RETURN because from then on, Bruce is no longer willing to use the surrogate as a way of living. We want to make sure to the audience that it is not because Bruce no longer has a surrogatethat he doesn’t use one, it is because he has EMOTIONALLY rejected the idea. From the CHARACTER ARC point of view, the story has been trying very hard to make that transition for Bruce: disgusting fat guy posing a woman; distance with his wife and lastly the death of other policeman. )Page 43Bruce goes to the Human Only zone and watches the Prophet giving a speech about human condition. When Bruce sees real children, his emotion is palpable. (The Prophet is now the antagonist because we know that he now possesses the weapon and the fact that Bruce confronts him directly raises the stake of the story.)Page 46Bruce meets the Prophet and asks about the weapon. Prophet lies that he doesn’t have it. (Face to face with the antagonist.)Page 48Inventor in his child surrogate meets Bruce and tells him to dig deeper to find out who is behind the murder of his son and the origin of the weapon.Page 50The friends of Bruce’s wife are using surrogates drugs, Bruce disapproves.Page 51Bruce beats his wife’s friend and is forced to say out loud that he wants his real wife and connect with her. But she is scared and walks away. And we see the reason: she is old and ugly now. (Bruce starts to take action to connect with his wife.)Page 54Bruce goes to the FBI office and investigates.Page 55Agent Peters is killed and her surrogate is hijacked.Page 56Bruce goes to the military and forces the general to tell him about the weapon.Page 57Prophet asks his people to deliver the weapon to Agent Peters.Page 58Bruce comes to visit his wife, who is working in a surrogate beauty pallor. She retreats again when Bruce is trying to connect. (EVERYTHING IS EMOTIONALLY LOST) Page 60The military goes to attack the restricted area and finds out that the Prophet is actually a surrogate. And we find out that it was the inventor that has been controlling the Prophet. (EVERYTHING PHYSICAL IS ALSO LOST because we thought if we could capture the Prophet, we can get the weapon, but now because it’s a surrogate, we might never get the weapon.)Page 63After fake Peters tells Bruce that the meetbag was hired by the boss to kill the inventor of surrogates according to the FBI payroll files, Bruce goes to confront and disable his boss and steal his files.Page 65From the computer file, Bruce figures out why VSI wants the inventor dead: because he wants to destroy surrogates. Fake Peters also has Bruce find the access codes for using the weapon before she tries to kill Bruce and takes the weapon with her. (Antagonist revealed again to the protagonist and fully engages.)Page 67Big action sequence where Bruce tries to destroy fake Peters unsuccessfully.Page 69Bruce calls Bobby but he has already been cuffed by Peters. Bruce realizes that fake Peters tries to kill everybody using surrogates.Page 70Police boss confronts Fake Peters only to find out that it is the inventor who is operating Peters. Inventor kills police boss with the weapon to revenge for his son.Page 72Bruce goes to find the inventor at his home while the inventor is using Peters to work on connecting the weapon to the whole surrogate network.Page 74Inventor and Bruce argue about the solution of the addiction of surrogates until the inventor kills himself. (EVERYTHING IS REALLY LOST.)Page 76Bruce operates Peters to unplug everybody from their surrogates in the last second.Page 78Bruce is hesitant about saving the surrogates though. At last, he hits “NO” to disable all the surrogates. Everybody down on the streets.Page 82Bruce reunites with his wife in the flesh at last.
①总说好莱坞电影自甘肤浅,到底事实如此还是偏见所致,一时半会也说不清。
《未来战警》从一个绝妙的科幻主题出发,试图通往人性,最终又难以避免地滑落到寻常的科幻动作惊悚,有点可惜。
②未来人人都用上了机器代理人,街上型男靓女摩肩接踵,都是工业的皮囊,原生人类躲进阴暗的房间任凭臃肿颓唐,倒是个御宅族的狂欢世界。
③后来男主日常拯救世界让所有人逃过一死之后,犹豫片刻又毁掉了所有机器替身,他只是单纯希望自家黄脸婆别总是宅在家里。
全世界的机器代理人同时失控,东倒西歪遍地狼藉,这大概是全片为数不多的亮点了。
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微小的切口—最佳的角度近年商业科幻片所惯用的视角无非两类:启蒙性的人工智能、机器、温情的说教式;或者是宏大性的未来、统治的渲染式。
代理人无论从风格、画面、人物设定、情节架构似乎都经不起推敲,但是这部影片的精彩并不在此,他抛弃了主流商业科幻片历来的主题:1有关人工智能的自我意识形成于人性的矛盾; 2有关对机器过分发达导致的对生存环境的破坏;3:有关机器具有自我意识后,人类存在受到威胁。
影片立足于缝隙间,躲避了启蒙性的说教,也避开了宏达性的渲染。
对人的意识的游离性与机器的机械性这两个关于人与技术的微小切口展开叙事。
以此为基础,影片展开了人性的探索。
1.人类突破了西方争论千年的话题:打破了肉体的牢笼,走向精神的自由。
人类也因此逃避了衰老,疾病;日常行为也得到了空前的拓展。
2.与传统强调人自身的锻炼相反,经过蒸汽机、汽油机、电动机、智能电子系统。
这个世界假器发展到了极大值。
3.由此产生的政治体制,经济发展,人伦道德,价值判断。
4.假器的发展所导致的人存在的意义?
5.技术时代下人性化的转向?
6.技术发展是否有极限状态?
最近才看,感觉美国很喜欢拍人类和机器人之间的事情,终结者也好,i robot也好,都是如此,这部片子还好,至少机器人还没有自己的思维,只是一个傀儡而已,但是可怕的就是你不知道你见到的机器人背后是个什么人,很像现在的网聊,你不知道网线那头的人是什么样,如果一条狗会点鼠标和敲键盘,那还真不好说。
网络社会已经让我们之间的沟通少了很多了,很多人可以一整天、一个星期、一个月不出门而只是依靠网络,如果将来都用了代理机器人。。
这种情况就更可怕了,有时候想想,科技还是别太发达的好。
哥我结束一天的工作,再次从电脑前起身,眼睛离开屏幕的那一刻,望向真实的物体,感觉有点茫然。
突然间发觉,周围的人都在讨论偷菜,有的人为一个虚拟物品被骗可以不远千里寻到骗人者网吧大打出手,也有的人会因为获得一个仅仅由代码组成的图片形式出现的东西而暗自窃喜几天,却对周围的事物不再关心,关心偷菜甚于关心丈夫孩子,关心在网络世界做大侠而在现实中是一个失败者,关心假的东西能提高自己的能力却在现实中属于三级能力残废,哥突然感觉,我们都被某种奇怪的东西劫持了。
更加深我这个感觉的是对比起某些对网络上流行事物不太感冒的某些兄弟,他花在现实生活中的时间也就更多,相反地虽然他在侃大山摆龙门阵时少了那么些谈资,但是他利用那些时间做了更多其他的事情。
我已经不记得花了多少时间在无意义的观看他人回帖对骂,而放弃去玩琴、看书、听音乐了,事实上,拥有了这个网络身份,许多人开始肆无忌惮地做自己不敢做的事,说自己现实生活中不敢说的话,反正避无可避时页面一关,一下线,谁也不知道ID后面的那个鸟人是谁,游戏中PK你可以笑着做,被打死你还可以关心下自己发型乱了没,输了可以再来,这或许就是这种代理游戏的上瘾之处吧。
但哥真的累了,每天对着电脑,一时的满足换来的是很久的空虚。
我的现实生活呢?
我要去逛逛酒吧,听听歌,看看真实的CD是什么样子的而不是下mp3,我就算出去找个仇人干一架干个青红紫绿的,也比在这个凳子上对着屏幕诅咒别人祖宗,用几个炫目的技能杀掉某角色来的真实得多,有痛感的多。
不是你真实的体验,你永远不会感到那种揪心的疼和畅快淋漓的快乐。
哥是时候unplug一下了。
看了两次~都在中间部分入睡~放弃。。。。。。。。。
脑控脑控
怎么看过怎么忘记。。。
并不新鲜的创意,演绎得如此干巴。逻辑是有道理的,可是能不能别这么浅显幼稚…伤痛的警察都得有个意外身亡的儿子啊…演技?这种角色需要演技么?
想法不错,节奏较慢
女主角mm实在太pp了,原人化妆成老人还是掩盖不住实际的年轻。。。
记得没几个真人,一堆的替身,那样的人过的不好,其实我们也一样,CCTV6的4:3屏幕看的好没有感觉。
很扯
彻底的解决性病问题.
无聊 代理人这种东西我才不会用
情节莫名其妙
又一部美国悬疑小说改编的电影,如果把机器人时代的背景换成现代宗教背景的话,那将又是一部达芬奇密码或者天使与魔鬼,难道美国的悬疑小说大都如此?布鲁斯·威利斯是一个不折不扣的高产演员,再烂的戏都敢节拍啊~
真实也许并不那么美丽,但人生就该如此。
不够深刻
挺好的创意拍的一点都不过瘾,可惜了,对了,老布的代理长头发好不习惯,光头真身出马才舒了一口气
开头很吸引人,背景设置也很别具一格,化妆很赞。可惜整体人物不够立体,剧情也没有挖得很深。不过总算是可以一看的小成本科幻片。
布鲁斯·威尼斯居然可以“硬”这么多年。
烂
老了
印象最深刻的就是开车撞街上的机器人 还有一大片机器倒下的场景 经典